Showing posts with label different faiths. Show all posts
Showing posts with label different faiths. Show all posts

Friday, August 14, 2026

Universalism: "Why bother praying, or going to Church, or paying any attention to God at all? Everyone's going to heaven anyway, right?"

My purpose in these posts is to bring a variety of Christian witnesses and writers in reflecting on life, encounters, and various situations, in a desire to enhance our understanding of what it means to be a missionary disciple of Jesus Christ at the service of the common good and directly or indirectly give glory to God and extend the Lord's work of salvation to all of humanity. G.S.

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"The Hell There Is. An Exploration of an Often Rejected Doctrine of the Church." By Msgr. Charles Pope, TAN Books, Gastonia, North Carolina, 2025. 

PLEASE NOTE: I've added below a summary quote from the author. 
P.P.S. I've made edits and additions following some suggestions.


The Last Judgement, 1865-1866, wood engraving by Gustave Dore

Before launching into this topic, we must acknowledge....

There are huge disparities among human beings in terms of survival. Huge swaths of people suffer the violent excesses of armed groups - military forces of nations, their own nations or aggressor nations, drug cartels, ideological extremists, or simply criminals - while whole populations are dying of famine, absence of clean water, infections or other diseases. Even in nations enjoying development and affluence, there are extremely rich and extremely poor, with few if any connections between them. In many societies, a middle class is often shrinking or may have never existed at all.

That is only on the material or survival plane. On the moral plane, there are people with highly developed consciences; who are well aware of their neighbours and their living conditions, and do all they can to assist anyone in need. This tends to happen more regularly among those who are poor than among those who are wealthy. While the wealthy can reach out to help others, their philanthropy tends to come out of their abundance or excess. The poor on the other hand, will often share what little they have for themselves and their family with others in even more urgent need than themselves.

On yet a third plane, the above conditions may occur independently of whether people have any faith or practice any religion. As Jesus pointed out in a parable, religious authorities can easily pass by a victim of violence; whereas a member of a hated minority may very well display greater humanity and compassion for such a victim. In a more extreme case, a manifestly atheistic person may show greater humanity and compassion than an obviously religous person. Similar paradoxes may be found among rich versus poor people, powerful versus vulnerable persons, developed versus more primitive populations. 

On a fourth plane, there are the "movers and groovers", those who have and enjoy a disproportionate access and level of control over the life, natural resources, and riches of Planet Earth; which, in principle, are there for the use and enjoyment of all. This is called "the universal destination of goods" or also "the common good". One's circumstances of birth, location, social adhesion, and other variables increase or decrease one's access to the wealth of "our common home", a phrase coined by the late Pope Francis in his Encyclical "Laudato Si" published in 2015, These terms hearken to the Roman Catholic Church's "social doctrine" to which our current Pope Leo XIV refers in his recent encyclical "Magnifica Humanitas". 

In this post, we are exploring another variable, a fifth, the afterlife: whether or not human beings are giving any consideration to what will happen to them after they die, that is, at the end of their mortal existence on this Earth. Manifestly, some give great importance to life after death; while others, not at all, with countless variations in between these extremes. Supposing there are consequences after we die; then, those who care nothing about it will still have to endure those consequences. Denying them will not help them at all. Among those who take great stock in the afterlife; what they actually do or don't do may or may not help them either. 

Are all souls going to heaven? Is hell empty... does hell even exist?

Let's be honest here... you have either heard the following or you have thought it, at one time or another, right? "Why bother praying, or going to Church, or paying any attention to God at all? Everyone's going to heaven anyway, right?" True confession: I have leaned strongly in that direction at one time or another, and more than once; especially in adolescence. 

These days, I'm having to face it: for decades I found myself surrounded by this very way of thinking. It became clear that we had, as a society, gone through a gate of some kind, or passed a boundary; when I noticed at funerals how just about everyone was thinking their beloved departed was now in a better place, now in heaven with their parents, siblings, and grandparents, and friends, and, yes, with God. These assumptions are actually presumptions: in effect, such beliefs pass judgement on God - as if He has nothing to say about our eternal destiny, or as if Jesus' warnings don't count - and they appear in poetic form on bookmark memory cards printed by funeral directors on the back of a photo of the dearly departed. 

Is hell eternal torment or eternal annihilation? 

Then, on vacation, a few bricks hit my glass wall. First, last year, I came across the book "Hell A Final Word: The Surprising Truths I Found in the Bible" by Edward William Fudge (2012). Among other questions, he searched the Bible and Protestant Bible commentators to find a consensus on whether after death and judgement unrepentant sinners are annihilated and "destroyed forever", or whether they are punished and "tormented forever". The author had a view, but he honestly admitted that opinions on the issue are apparently divided among interpretations of the Sacred Scriptures by scholars in the Reformed perspective.

What has God said to us about it?

This summer, another book came to my attention, "The Hell There Is: An Exploration of an Often-Rejected Doctrine of the Church" written by Msgr. Charles Pope, published in 2025. Here, this author addresses the world outlook called "universalism", whereby people believe that God is too good to send anyone to hell; such that they believe hell is empty except perhaps for Hitler and a few other megalomaniacal mass murderers. 

Pope successfully and eloquently explains that this view denies Jesus' clear and repeated warnings about hell and eternal damnation, and the ways in which people who either rebel blatantly against God, or else, are so attached to favourite sins that they in effect turn away from God. Believing such things about God is in effect creating according to our preferences a "designer god" other than our Creator; as He has made Himself known through the Sacred Scriptures. Such views are in effect idolatry. 

He further explains that God only created hell when Lucifer and his rebel angels turned away from their Creator. They being "pure spirits" and not enfleshed as we are, but rather immortal beings; their choice to turn away from God was immediately final and irrevocable, because they do not change. Since they wanted nothing to do with God and his plan for creation and humanity, and because God still loved them as his creatures; He who created them provided a new "space" for them where - for all eternity - their wish would be honoured and they could be "far away from God". This, by definition, is hell.

Unlike the immortal angels, we can change and repent while alive on Earth 

We human beings, Pope further explains, are enfleshed. While we are an immortal soul, we are also mortal in the flesh. This means that our choices in time are not yet final or irrevocable; we continue to have both the freedom and opportunity to repent. Still, it is risky to wait, because with time and practice, our sinful ways become more entrenched and repentance becomes more difficult; even unlikely. 

In principle, we can choose daily to turn away from anything that would turn us away from God and his heaven and put us in the direction of hell. It is at the death of our mortal body, once our soul loses this "tool" or "arena" for repentance, that our "dying wish" or choice either for God or for our favourite sins will be finalized and become irrevocable. It is like a clay pot taken from the potter's wheel and put in the kiln; where it is baked at high temperature and can no longer be corrected or changed. Unlike Earth, though, in hell there is no hint of enjoyment, however imperfect the pleasure was here.

In between hell and heaven, some may linger in "Purgatory" 

Should we be repentant but still attached to sins, bad habits, or addictions, and struggle with letting them go, and our clear desire is to obey and love God; then our Catholic Tradition teaches that, in his mercy, God will provide us the opportunity to be "purged" or purified of all that cannot be admitted into God's Presence in heaven. That opportunity is called "Purgatory". We will suffer by not yet being able to be with God, but it will be with the hope of being with Him once we have been purged of our mortal attachments. 

However, it could be presumptive on our part to put off our conversion through repentance and place instead too much reliance on Purgatory, which may become an excuse to remain "comfy" in our sinful attachments and put off making the effort to seek and to obey God's will and deliberately seek to become "more perfect" as Jesus commands us to do. The author makes the point that lingering too long in sin, thereby entrenching a strong habit, may make it unlikely for a soul to ever repent, which sets its course on hell rather than heaven. 

Along these same lines, those who until the very end of their life remain selfish, self-obsessed, incapable and unwilling to care for or love others or make room for others or for God's will: Jesus made it clear in a number of parables that God will not oppose or obstruct their life choice. Those who in this life had such disdain for God will in the end have such horror of God that his judgement will corroborate their joining Satan and his demons in hell... as far away from God as they can get. Hell, understandably, is final and without any hope. 

Now, after all these years, I finally understand why in the Western World's more developed and affluent societies, so many people no longer go to worship God in church on Sunday, no longer pray, no longer care about spiritual things, and completely ignore God. They have no use or patience with others who are different or have nothing to offer them; they don't want to be bothered. Since they don't believe hell is real, and are oblivious to their risk of ending up in that solitary misery with demons for eternity; they don't see their need to be saved. They don't see their need for God's mercy and forgiveness; nor their need to change and repent. They want neither to change nor to be told what to do. Tragically, because God loves them and respects their freely made and consistent choice, He will grant their final wish.

God, our loving Father, is willing and ready, even eager to extend his mercy to them and forgive them, restoring his friendship with them. The tragedy is that they don't care, don't want, don't ask. God will leave them here, perhaps undistinguishable among human society, as weeds remained among the wheat until the harvest, in Jesus' parable. Then, God's angels will come and root them out and cast them into the eternal lake of fire with the devil and his demons for all eternity. They didn't want God on Earth; God will not impose Himself on them in eternity, but because He still loves them, He will honour their final wish and choice.

Please feel free to pass this on to family, friends, neighbours, co-workers, fellow students... to all and to anyone... so that the Holy Spirit might use these words to wake up those who are asleep on the assembly line leading to a perilous drop into the abyss of hell.

Lord, have mercy on us and on all of humanity. 

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In chapter 9, the author recalls "Hell Exists Because God Respects Human Freedom"; "Not All Want What God Offers"; "God Is Not Angry"; "Are We Free and Knowledgeable Enough to Choose Hell?" (The author believes "Yes, we are."); "Hell Is for the Unrepentant"; "A Sin Against the Holy Spirit": Despair, Presumption, Impugning the Known Truth; Obstinacy in Sin, and Final Impenitence. As you can see, these are all different ways of trying to control our own destiny instead of making plenty of room for God to manifest his merciful love and power to save.

In his Epilogue, he sums up all that he has found:

"In times like these, when the doctrine of hell is all but excluded from the minds of most, even among many pious Catholics, what are we to do? Strongly connected to the rejection of the biblical teachings on hell is the trivializing and 'taming' of God. He is, for too many, merely kind rather than immensely holy and glorious beyond telling. There is little notion that we must be utterly transformed and perfected to attain the glory that is our future and destiny if we are faithful unto the end. As noted previously, Scripture says, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb 10:31). And again, it says we must "Strive for the holiness, without which no one will see the Lord" (Heb 12:14)."

"A proper balance must be restored to us, which trusts God's mercy but acknowledges how very much we need it; a balance which knows and experiences God's love but which also holds Him in awe and deep reverence. This virtuous balance is what Scripture calls "the fear of the Lord." The fear of the Lord holds God in awe and reverently loves Him. It dreads offending Him and anything that might separate us from Him. Ideally, it is rooted in deep gratitude and love, which fears to offend Him because of His goodness to us. In those who are less spiritually mature, it may well include the servile fear of punishment. But at its best, it manifests as an excited and joyful reverence in God's presence, amazed at His glory and humbly aware of our need for His grace and mercy."

"To fear the Lord is also to accept His teaching without reserve, even if it puzzles us or causes alarm. The Lord Jesus loves us more than we can ever know and is rich in mercy, but He expects to be taken seriously. The gift of the fear of the Lord must therefore be sought by us and cherished. Without it we too easily trivialize the Lord and accept him only on our terms. It is true, Jesus is the Lover of our souls, He has borne our sins, and opened to us the ocean of His mercy. But this same Jesus spoke to us very plainly of the reality of Hell. He also teaches us that we are very fickle and perverse of heart. Take Him seriously in these matters! In holy fear and deep revernce listen to what He is saying and be urgent about the salvation of souls, starting with your own. A Day of Judgement is coming for all of us, and the choice is ours: "And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light" (Jn 3:19)."

"Be urgent and choose wisely, fellow sinner. Listen to Jesus and come to the light. Respectful of our freedom, He knocks at our door and waits joyfully and expectantly for us to open. You are free to choose, but you are not free not to choose."

"The Hell There Is. An Exploration of an Often Rejected Doctrine of the Church." By Msgr. Charles Pope, TAN Books, Gastonia, North Carolina, 2025. 

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My purpose in these posts is to bring a variety of Christian witnesses and writers in reflecting on life, encounters, and various situations, in a desire to enhance our understanding of what it means to be a missionary disciple of Jesus Christ at the service of the common good and directly or indirectly give glory to God and extend the Lord's work of salvation to all of humanity. G.S.

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© 2004-2026 All rights reserved Fr. Gilles Surprenant, Associate Priest of Madonna House Apostolate & Poustinik, Montreal  QC
© 2004-2026 Tous droits réservés Abbé Gilles Surprenant, Prêtre Associé de Madonna House Apostolate & Poustinik, Montréal QC
 

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Wednesday, February 07, 2018

What about Marriage of a Roman Catholic with a Muslim?

My purpose in these posts is to bring a variety of Christian and other writers in a desire to share significant writings that in my estimation contribute to the common good and directly or indirectly give glory to God and extend the Lord's work of salvation to all of humanity. G.S.

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You and your fiancé are discussing marriage, and you raise an important question regarding faith and religion because one of you is a Roman Catholic Christian and the other is a Muslim. 

First, congratulations to you and your fiancé for your good news... it takes love and courage to want to live marriage and family life today when so much of our western culture emphasizes individual success and personal comfort. Marriage implies children and family, and both require selflessness and considerable devotion and generous service out of authentic human love.

I invite you to go to your parish (discover your parish if you don't already belong to one) and obtain from them their general Parish FAQ sheet for Marriage and read it. Their welcome documents will show their policies and guidelines, which would normally answer many of your questions.

MUSLIM VS CHRISTIAN - What kind of Muslim? What kind of Christian? 

First, I commend you for asking such an important question, namely: "What do we do now that we want to marry, but we are of two very different faiths?"

Muslims and Christians both believe that there is only one God, but how they understand God is very different. For Muslims Allah is a fierce and judgmental god who very clearly demands submission and only submission on the part of humanity, not love. Whereas for Christians, God is a single, unique divine Being who exists in three equal and united divine Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and the second Person, the Son, took on a human flesh and came to be known as Jesus in order to reveal the Father's love to humanity and call for a return of love after the example of Jesus. For Muslims this is outrageous and unacceptable, even offensive for the more radical Muslims.

However, Muslims who have decided to "accommodate" themselves to western society and to respect other faiths without condemning them, can actually be capable of entering into marriage with a Christian, or as in your case, a Roman Catholic Christian, without holding the faith of their partner in contempt.

On the other hand, Muslims who have been "fired up" by the "reform" begun by the "Muslim Brotherhood" in Egypt in 1928, or by other such reform movements, are inclined to go back to the original sources of their Muslim faith, when in the first century after Mohammad Islam took the form of an Empire sweeping across north Africa, the Middle East, Asia, and eastern Europe. For such zealous Muslims, no accommodation with Christians is possible or tolerable, only submission to the one authority of Allah and in the one name of Mohammad his prophet.

Now, Muslims can be "militant", that is, zealous for Islam, without being "terrorists". Here our interest is only in Muslims who are anything except terrorists; so we're talking about fervent or militant, or cultural, or accommodating Muslims only.

For militant or zealous Muslims, Christians are "heretics", that is, they are convinced that Christians have deformed the Jewish Scriptures and the Gospels, because, they say, "God has no son." They do not understand or accept the Incarnation of the Son of God in Mary's womb as Jesus, who is both a divine person - the Son of God - and a human being, Jesus of Nazareth. Christians accept the mystery revealed by Jesus that God is his Divine Father while at the same time Mary is his human mother. We believe in the Holy Spirit as the "third divine person" in the one divine Being who is God.

This is a deeply divisive difference between the Christian faith and the Muslim faith. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, for a fervent Muslim and a fervent Christian to enter into a strong and united marriage, without one having to surrender to the faith of the other, or at the very least, keep their own faith hidden or private.

While the "falling in love" early stage of such a couple's relationship might blind them emotionally to those differences as well as to the long-term difficult and painful consequences of those differences; the pain of their differences can only grow more intense and divisive with time as the full reality of their situation becomes unavoidable. 

However, if one of them is willing to subordinate their faith to that of their spouse, then it is possible for the marriage to work, but that would depend on the stability of that decision on the part of the one who would accept to eclipse his or her faith. Still, even in that case, that person's family - especially if they are also fervent in their faith - could put such pressure on the other party that he or she would feel harassed if not persecuted, and certainly pressurized. It would be difficult, uncomfortable, and in time intolerable to live under such conditions.

In conclusion, marriage between a Muslim and a Christian is possible, but usually, because of the nature of the religious cultures specific to each of these faiths, the Christian is required to "submit" to the faith of Mohammad simply because as we go around the world we find that in our day it is Islam that is far more militant, judgmental, firm, and unyielding than Christianity or Catholicism. Actually, the name Islam literally means "submission", and Allah is a divinity who demands submission, unlike the Holy Trinity who ask us to love them in return and at the same time that we love our neighbors, even our enemies, as ourselves. Otherwise, it is the Muslim who must accept to keep their faith to themselves or to lay aside its demands in order to accommodate to the Christian spouse. This can happen in the West but not usually in a majority Muslim country where the Law of Sharia is the only code of law for both civil and religious matters. 

WHAT ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN?

You begin to understand the importance of the couple having a very clear mutual understanding about who God is and how they are going to live and practice their respective faiths when you stop to consider the children to be born to this couple. Will the children be raised Muslim or Catholic and Christian? Children cannot be brought up to be both, because no one can be both. A Muslim who practices faith as a Christian and who loves Jesus is not fully practicing faith as a Muslim, because Islam refuses to accept Jesus as Son of God. A Christian who practices faith as a Muslim cannot really be Christian because Jesus revealed God to be One divine Being composed of three equal but distinct divine persons.

A child brought up "in between" will be living in ambiguity, and that would be a very unhealthy environment for a child to grow up in. Children need clear answers until, as adults, they can formulate for themselves what they truly believe.

Children are fragile and need the strength, union, peace, love, and stability of their parents, and they must also have a very clear idea of their own identity, including their faith identity, in order to thrive.

If such a couple - Roman Catholic Christian and Muslim - fully realize that their union will not be possible because each of them chooses to remain fervent in the practice of their respective faiths; then they can take consolation that as they go their separate ways they will not lose their wonderful human capacity to discover another person worthy of their love and with whom they will be able to form a more united couple in view of Marriage and family life. True love is a choice and not really an accidental "falling" as western culture around romance would have us believe. 

This is not to deny the value and beauty of romance - because inasmuch as it is truly human, then it is beautiful and has its own value - but rather to affirm the greater value of love as a free decision and as a generous gift of self. By far this first dimension of human love is more substantial and more lasting, and it is such love that is fruitful and life giving. Romance merely adds more color to what is already beautiful and eternal, and romance is merely the early season of married love, the Spring time. After that, human married love is called to enjoy the other seasons of life and to accept to be changed by them as it grows and expands, building and enriching human society.

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My purpose in these posts is to help spread the contributions of a variety of Christian and other writers in a desire to share significant writings that in my estimation contribute to the common good and directly or indirectly give glory to God and extend the Lord's work of salvation to all of humanity. G.S.

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© 2004-2021 All rights reserved Fr. Gilles Surprenant, Associate Priest of Madonna House Apostolate & Poustinik, Montreal  QC
© 2004-2021 Tous droits réservés Abbé Gilles Surprenant, Prêtre Associé de Madonna House Apostolate & Poustinik, Montréal QC
 

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